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Author: tionecdera Subject: WHY GO? CAN'T SHE COME HERE?
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posted on 06-03-2003 at 17:27 Reply With Quote Report Post to Moderator
WHY GO? CAN'T SHE COME HERE?

Hello again gentlemen- I'm Tony Bochene the webmaster of this site. This si one the most common questions that comes up when the guys start thinking about a tour. To me it's interesting that anyone would be afraid of a trip overseas. IS it fear or is it laziness?
I think it's a little of both but more of the laziness. Americans in general are into instant gratification, it's programmed into our society. Everything is designed to be quick easy fun... but usually isn't. That attitude is an advertising scam and too many of us fall for it.
So enter the international romance dating business. many guys would like to think they can just sit in their apartment at three in the morning and pick out a girl they like send her a few bucks and she'll appear on their door step. Sorry boys it just doesn't work like that, and if it did you wouldn't appreciate the woman and wouldn't try very hard at the relationship. Right? As soon as things got tough you'd be thinking; "Hey I if she gives me any crap I can just get out the ole credit card and "buy" another girl."
I think you see where I'm going with this. This is something different, something new and exciting that may change your life forever if you have the time and patience to meet the right girl.
But what about the money?
Oh co'mon. That computer you are using to surf the net in search of the perfect woman cost more than a trip. So what are you waiting for? How long do you live your life in lonely silence?
Here is the bottom line and I hope you will listen because most of the successful scams are based on your laziness... WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS, THE WOMEN CAN NOT COME HERE TO SEE YOU. THEY CAN NOT GET A VISA NO MATTER WHAT THEY TELL YOU. THE ONES WHO CLAIM THEY CAN GET A VISA WANT YOU TO SEND THEM MONEY FIRST AND THAT IS THE LAST YOU WILL HEAR OF THEM OR YOUR MONEY. THE HONEST LADIES DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME.
THE ONLY WAY IS FOR YOU TO GO TO THEM. IT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE, IT'S FUN, IT'S EXCITING, AND IT WORKS. OVER TEN THOUSAND MEN A YEAR GO OVERSEAS AND FIND A GOOD WOMAN!
SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS, I'M HERE TO HELP. AND I'LL ALWAYS TELL IT TO YOU STRAIGHT.
SINCERELY
TONY B.
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posted on 12-19-2003 at 09:44 Reply With Quote Report Post to Moderator


Tonys right

Its extremely unlikely that a single Russian woman will get a visa to visit the USA, UK, Schengen countries.

You HAVE to come here to Russia to visit her. Its common sense too, dont you want to see where she is from, her family and friends, the enviroment where she grew up and what has shaped her into the women she is? Your descision to find a Russian bride is for life guys, nothing worth having is easy.

There are companies here in Russia that advertise getting visas for women...but they are just scammers themselves, its not possibly to beat the system. After 9-11 the US visa proceedure is much tougher than it was

Get on the plane, open your eyes, think with your head as well as your heart and you just might find that special woman you are looking for.

Steve Williams
Voronezh, Russia
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I just got back last month from St . Petersburg , it was the biggest eye opener in my 50 years , and no I have not lead a sheltered life .
I had been e-mailing the same woman for a year as we wanted to take the time to know each other better , we talk every week and still I was in shock , she had understated herself in every way , and was far more woman than any I have been with here !! . Very cultured , 2 degrees , chaming , witty , warm , a great mom , and beautiful , all in one package .
If I had to make a choice it would be a tour , and I would plan on a two week stay , even if I had to hire a translator . There is just to much to do , one could spend a week in the Hermitage by itself , I do not know how I would handle selecting one person out of thousands in just one week , take the extra time to visit russia . I have no doubts you will wish to go back , next time I was thinking of spending a month . Do not rent a car , russian drivers are crazy , but you will not see road rage , or fingers or horns blaring , it is just the way they drive , every car in russia is a taxi , but watch out for the taxis at the airport , they charge way to much .
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tour vs. online contacts

Hello, I am fairly new to the concept of finding a Russian wife, but I am thoroughly convinved that it's a fantastic thing, if done correctly. I have been reading everything I can get my hands on about the process, do's, dont's, ect. I am currently corresponding with four women. Here's the question, is it worth the $$ for the whole tour, or is it feasible to make half a dozen contacts and take your own trip? The tour seems great, but hundreds, even thousands of women to choose from, seems like it could lead to sensory overload! What is your take on it (Anyone with any experiences)?

Thanks,

James
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James,
I know some men swear by the tours, but I always rejected the idea.
I started searching 18 months ago. I wrote and received/accepting or rejecting e-mails back from 400 women from FSU, by late fall 2004 the list had narrowed to six women, in December I decided to go to Tyumen, Russia in western Siberia to meet my current fiance.
The time I took writing and getting to know these women (a few scammers included) was worth every minute.

I'm in for the long haul.
I set out to find a wife for a lifetime of family lifestyle living, babies, mortgages, happiness and prosperity,you name it,the whole shabang.
Lena is 10 times the woman I expected to match with.

Women like her do not show up at the meet markets called 'socials', sorry....and if they do, chances are they feel so out of place when they have to compete with 100s of professional hookers for the attention of a few dozen men that they rarely comeback for a second event.

I swear by my method of taking time to get to know a handful of ladies to choose from over time...then choose one to go and visit when you think it's prudent.

toad
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posted on 03-21-2005 at 23:48 Reply With Quote Report Post to Moderator
Tours

I think Toad’s statement that he has been looking for 18 months pretty much tells you the doing it independently does not work. About 50% of the men that go on tours get engaged with in a month.
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I would not be so quick to decry Toad's comments about tours. I think different strokes for different folks should be the order of the day.

I am not into tours either, mostly because I don't function so well in such a large and competitive social environment. I'm a 1-on-1 type of person, and it is there that I thrive and my true personality comes out.

And, that is pretty much the kind of woman I seek - of compatible personality. So, I opt out of the tour game. It is more effort and time on my part, but I think it is ok. Something worth doing is worth doing right (according to the specifics of the individual).

I have met someone who I think is extremely compatible with me. Everything I want in my life partner. And, I met her through a carefully considered search.

SCL
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Alternatively...

quote:
How many guys would like to think they can just sit in their apartment at three in the morning and pick out a girl they like send her a few bucks and she'll appear on their door step.
It's a two-way street. How many women would like to think they can just sit in their apartment at three in the morning and pick out a guy they like, send him nothing, and he'll appear on their door step, completely at his expense. The guy spends a year of vacation, a year or two of savings, and returns finding out he's been scammed by some woman who just wanted him to spend money on her. If the guy is spending the money, and the woman is spending nothing, that's more than enough. The guy is already carrying the weight of 2 while the woman only needs to enjoy her free vacation. To demand that the guy pay for everything, take all the risk, and use his time for the visit, while the woman risks nothing, as far as time or money, is just ludicrous. It's so American; it represents everything we're trying to get away from. Accept these standards and you might as well marry an American woman because you've already accepted total subjugation.

So the question becomes ... how to get that visa that "can't be had?" I'm getting it done now. It's all about thinking outside the box and finding the right contacts. Any politician from the state level on up can pull a few strings and get a visa approved for an RW. It was done for a friend and now I'm getting it done. Do a favor, a favor gets done for you.

Most of the guys I've seen in this game are so pussywhipped by American (or Western) mentality, embracing and celebrating their willingness to be obedient little doormats, how can they expect to find anything but that kind of wife? If something is expected of you, you have every right to expect the same in return. If you need to risk to make a connection happen, so should she. If you're expected to sacrifice time and money, so should she. If she won't do it, all you're doing is pursuing the American mentality in another country.

With these attitudes in full force, I'm not hurting for women to correspond with. This doesn't mean being the tyrant guy with an 1800's mentality toward women. It means "balance," nothing more. We are so conditioned to apologize for every need, every desire; so eager to avoid having others judge us wrongly, and we pay for it all our lives. Be who you are. Want what you want. Need what you need. When others pass judgement on you, it's nothing more than that - their judgement. To demand some respect and appreciation for what you're risking and sacrificing to make this happen, are you really being out of line? Are you not earning that? Balance. Nothing else is being advocated. Don't be so eager to assume the role of the submissive doormat, then think you're going to find a decent wife who will make you happy. You are the man. As such, certain things are demanded of you - support the family, etc. By those terms, you have every right to have your own expectations about what you should be receiving in exchange.

So yes, you CAN get a visa for an RW to visit you; just think outside the box and do things differently than everybody else is doing. The visa approval process is completely run by a bunch of mindless cronies who will jump through any hoop if a person with the right clout tells them to. They are robots following a completely mechanized system and it requires almost nothing to override the automation. It takes one simple call from the right person. "Approve this visa." The response is "yes, sir." I've seen it done before, now it's being done for me because I reached out and connected with the right people in the right way.
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Hmmm

Denver, please email me with your method regarding travel visa for her!

cactusjack1975@yahoo.com
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posted on 07-03-2009 at 22:21 Reply With Quote Report Post to Moderator
COOL

'
quote:
How many guys would like to think they can just sit in their apartment at three in the morning and pick out a girl they like send her a few bucks and she'll appear on their door step.
It's a two-way street. How many women would like to think they can just sit in their apartment at three in the morning and pick out a guy they like, send him nothing, and he'll appear on their door step, completely at his expense. The guy spends a year of vacation, a year or two of savings, and returns finding out he's been scammed by some woman who just wanted him to spend money on her. If the guy is spending the money, and the woman is spending nothing, that's more than enough. The guy is already carrying the weight of 2 while the woman only needs to enjoy her free vacation. To demand that the guy pay for everything, take all the risk, and use his time for the visit, while the woman risks nothing, as far as time or money, is just ludicrous. It's so American; it represents everything we're trying to get away from. Accept these standards and you might as well marry an American woman because you've already accepted total subjugation.

So the question becomes ... how to get that visa that "can't be had?" I'm getting it done now. It's all about thinking outside the box and finding the right contacts. Any politician from the state level on up can pull a few strings and get a visa approved for an RW. It was done for a friend and now I'm getting it done. Do a favor, a favor gets done for you.

Most of the guys I've seen in this game are so pussywhipped by American (or Western) mentality, embracing and celebrating their willingness to be obedient little doormats, how can they expect to find anything but that kind of wife? If something is expected of you, you have every right to expect the same in return. If you need to risk to make a connection happen, so should she. If you're expected to sacrifice time and money, so should she. If she won't do it, all you're doing is pursuing the American mentality in another country.

With these attitudes in full force, I'm not hurting for women to correspond with. This doesn't mean being the tyrant guy with an 1800's mentality toward women. It means "balance," nothing more. We are so conditioned to apologize for every need, every desire; so eager to avoid having others judge us wrongly, and we pay for it all our lives. Be who you are. Want what you want. Need what you need. When others pass judgement on you, it's nothing more than that - their judgement. To demand some respect and appreciation for what you're risking and sacrificing to make this happen, are you really being out of line? Are you not earning that? Balance. Nothing else is being advocated. Don't be so eager to assume the role of the submissive doormat, then think you're going to find a decent wife who will make you happy. You are the man. As such, certain things are demanded of you - support the family, etc. By those terms, you have every right to have your own expectations about what you should be receiving in exchange.

So yes, you CAN get a visa for an RW to visit you; just think outside the box and do things differently than everybody else is doing. The visa approval process is completely run by a bunch of mindless cronies who will jump through any hoop if a person with the right clout tells them to. They are robots following a completely mechanized system and it requires almost nothing to override the automation. It takes one simple call from the right person. "Approve this visa." The response is "yes, sir." I've seen it done before, now it's being done for me because I reached out and connected with the right people in the right way.'



Hey Denver, let me know of your method too. My e-mail is gerardoibarraperrone@hotmail.com
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Go there!

This is very rare, The odds are less the 1 in 1000. What ever you do not not send money to anyone to do this, it will be a scam.

Also why pay for one woman to come here, when you can spend the same amount to meet hundreds of women. Also out of the few women that came here like this I have never heard of one working out. Best be is go there any meet them.

The big scam by Russian women. I have a friend at a travel agency or Embassy that can get me a visa. Just send me money. DON’T DO IT! Even if she shows you a scan copy of a visa and ask for you to send money for airline ticket DON’T DO IT. If you are still feel compelled to send money for ticket you credit card to buy ticket. IF she say you cannot do this it is a scam 100%
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its expensive for the ladies to travel

Its tough for the Russian women to get the US Visa secondly the cost of traveling and staying in US can be very expensive as well, so its best for the guys to visit Russia to pick up their Russian Bride from multiple Russian women at low cost some of the best tours are avaliable right here
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agree

fully agree with Jane.
I want to add that russian and ukrainian women are afraid to be defenceless in foreign country. I talk not only about few of money, but also about dependence on man. I know a couple of stories when kind foreign man become angry and begin to hurt his lady-guest.
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go there

I agree with Ken, you need to just take the trip over there in order to really get to know these women. I have heard and read horror stories of men who send letters back and forth with a woman for years, even talking on the phone and doing video chat. Then, when the guy actually goes over and visits her, they realize they don't have chemistry after about five minutes. Not only were the last years of communication pointless, but now you have also wasted a bunch of money and feel as if your trip is wasted.

The reality is that you can only know if you want to be with someone forever AFTER you have spent time with them in person. Even if it is completely unexplainable, two people who get along through letters and over the phone might not work well together in person.

If you are communicating with one or more women and feel you might want to be with one of them forever, you need to visit her in person. Even if it doesn't work out, it is better to know and move on. Plus, you will already be on a tour in a country full of gorgeous, available women. If you go on a romance tour with introduction socials, you will be able to meet those available women and spend time with someone new.
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happy

Its tough for the Russian women to get the US Visa secondly the cost of traveling and staying in US can be very expensive as well, so its best for the guys to visit Russia to pick up their Russian Bride from multiple Russian women at low cost some of the best tours are avaliable right here
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highly

I do not function, so in such a large and highly competitive social environment. I 1 - 1 type of person, and it's there, Wedding Cufflinks I grow, my real personality come out.
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to Ukraine from Germany

Has anyone traveled on the tours from Western Europe, or are these tours for Americans guys only? What's your experience about it? I have been writing to a bunch of girls at Elenas and Silver cafe and they seem not like the idea to meet through the "Romance tours" .
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good

I think Toads statement that he has been looking for 18 months pretty much tells you the doing it independently does not work....
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it's expensive to travel for ladies

If you want to find more information regarding russian women and ukrainian girls about travelling than you can have a look at My Facebook Fan Page .
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extremely unlikely

Its extremely unlikely that a single Russian woman will get a visa to visit the USA, UK countries.
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Scammers and agencies

I may be in the process of emailing a Russian scammer. She says she loves me though we've never met, her email address isn't the same one she gives me as her name, and she doesn't answer some of my questions. She hasn't (YET) asked for money, but she wants to come here to the UK, yet apparently getting a VISA to come here from Russian is so hard. So I am sorely tempted to ignore her after reading the advice here.

Two queries. Generally, why would lovely Eastern European ladies want to look for mates in the UK, for example? Can't they find a decent man in their countries? My natural suspicion is that they're actually gold-diggers, even though they forget (or don't realise) that most men in the more advanced countries are not rich.

Secondly, are there agencies that try to ensure that men are protected against these Eastern European scammers? Reading about all the stuff that can very easily happen, it seems like any man, at any time, can get robbed and there's little he can do, which doesn't inspire any confidence. In other words, are there agencies (dating/marriage) that offer some protection in case of things going wrong and that only accept honest and sincere girls?

I have tried dating agencies in the UK, but frankly didn't get anywhere. The girls on those seem so unenthusiastic, unless I suppose you've a lot of money. Not like in the TV ads at all. Most don't even reply to my messages and my profile is fine and as good as any of the others up there.
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agreed

I love russians
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